Apple CEO Tim Cook has concluded his extraordinary testimony defending the company’s
Cook spent more than three hours on the stand Friday in Oakland, California, putting the finishing touch on Apple’s defense against the antitrust suit filed by Epic Games.
Epic, which makes the wildly popular Fortnite video game, is waging a legal and public relations battle against Apple, arguing that the company runs an illegal monopoly that crushes app developers with exorbitant fees for all transactions.
Apple does not allow users of its popular iPhones and iPads to download apps from anywhere but its App Store, and developers have to use Apple’s payment system, which takes its cut of up to 30 percent.
In his testimony, Cook sounded at times almost like a commercial for Apple, touting the company’s products as the best in the world under guidance from friendly Apple attorneys.
But things turned tense under cross examination, as Epic lawyers grilled him on the company’s ironclad control of the App Store, lucrative deals with purported competitor Google, and Apple’s operations in China.
Under direct examination, Cook said that Apple was justified in charging the 30 percent commissions it takes on all transactions made through the App Store, which anchors Apple’s $53.8 billion services business.
Cook testified that Apple has invested $100 billion in research and development since developing the iPhone, and that App Store revenue ‘provides a return on our investment.’
A court sketch shows Apple CEO Tim Cook testifying in a plastic face shield on Friday. Cook described the company’s ironclad control over its app store as a way to keep things simple for customers while protecting them against security threats and privacy intrusions
Apple CEO Tim Cook gestures from the elevator as he arrives in court on Friday to testify at the conclusion of a weeks-long antitrust trial
Apple CEO Tim Cook wears a plastic face shield as he walks through the Ronald V. Dellums building on Friday in Oakland, California before taking the witness stand in an antitrust trial
Cook was sworn in at the federal courthouse in Oakland, California shortly after court was called to session at 8am PT on Friday. He is seen above arriving at the trial
The CEO emphasized Apple’s devotion to consumers and what he said was a commitment to privacy, saying that much of the company’s investments were targeted at preserving privacy.
‘Privacy, from our point of view, is one of the most important issues of the century. And safety and security are the foundation that privacy is built upon,’ he said, comparing the issue of privacy to civil rights struggles.
Cook argued that the App Store would become a ‘toxic’ mess if the iPhone maker were forced to allow third-party apps without reviewing them.
‘We could no longer make the promise.. of privacy, safety and security,’ Cook said under questioning from Apple attorney Veronica Moye in federal court in California.
Cook also touted a program launched last year — after Epic filed its suit — that cuts the commission rate in half for software developers with less than $1 million in annual net sales on its platform.
Cook insisted that the reduction in App Store fees was primarily in response to the coronavirus pandemic and out of concern for small businesses, rather than a defensive move in response to litigation and potential regulations, as Epic claims.
He also called the App Store an ‘economic miracle’, saying that almost 2 million people are estimated to have had jobs created through the App Store.
Apple started with 500 apps, and now has 1.8 million, Cook said. ‘It’s likely been one of the most important job segments out there in a growth point of view over the last decade,’ he added.
Under cross examination from Epic’s lawyers, the testimony grew tense at times as Cook was grilled about Apple’s actions toward app developers and a reported $10 billion partnership with Google.
At one point, an attorney for Epic mentioned that he himself owns an iPhone, adding ‘I hope it still works after the cross examination today,’ prompting laughter from Cook.
‘Fortnite’ creator Epic Games’ Chief Executive Tim Sweeney arrives on Friday for the final stages of the weeks-long antitrust trial at federal court in Oakland, California
Apple’s App Store chief Phil Schiller arrives in court on Friday as Tim Cook took the stand
Apple’s general counsel Kate Adams arrives at the Oakland courthouse on Friday
Epic Games attorney Katherine Forrest (right) at the United States District Court on Friday. Epic Games, the maker of popular video game Fortnite, is accusing Apple of antitrust behavior
Barry Diller brands Apple’s ‘quasi-monopoly’ in the app space ‘criminal’
Diller also took aim at Apple saying the fees the tech giant charges companies for hosting their apps in its App Store ‘criminal’ and ‘disgusting.’
‘The idea that they actually justify it by saying, ‘We spend all this money protecting our little App Store.’ I mean, it’s criminal. Well, it will be criminal,’ Diller said.
Apple charges large companies 30 percent commission on their in-app transactions, lowering to 15 percent for some smaller firms.
Diller blasted the hefty proportion ‘irrational’ and accused the company of running a ‘quasi-monopoly’ alongside Google with its Google Play app store for Android devices.
‘It’s irrational, 30%. I mean, it makes no sense,’ Diller said.
‘Match, little Match.com, pays $500 million a year to Apple to go through their store. Does that seem rational to you?’ Diller said.
Diller’s IAC spun out the dating website into a separate business last year.
Epic’s attorney pushed Cook on why Google paid the reported $10 billion to be the default search engine on the iPhone’s Safari browser.
Cook said the question was better put to Google, but under repeated questioning he eventually answered: ‘I believe they paid for search results, which they get from being the default search engine.’
Grilled on Apple’s ban that prevents apps from steering their customers outside the App Store to pay for app upgrades and services, Cook defended the prohibition.
‘It would be akin to Apple going down to Best Buy and advertising that you can go across the street to the Apple Store and get an iPhone,’ he said.
Later, the Epic lawyers pressed Cook on Apple’s operations in China, calling Apple a ‘proxy enforcer on behalf of the Chinese government.’
Epic attorney Gary Bornstein brought up criticism that Apple moved its iCloud servers for Chinese users to mainland China, where they can be accessed by the ruling Communist Party.
Cook said that Apple has to comply with the laws in all of the jurisdictions it operates in, and that China is no different in this respect.
‘I strongly believe it’s in the best interests of the people there that we do operate,’ he said of Apple’s Chinese presence.
Not mentioned in court was the fact that Chinese tech giant Tencent owns about 40 percent of Epic.
Epic CEO Tim Sweeney has said he is company’s controlling shareholder, and that Tencent has no input on day-to-day operations.
Sweeney has reveled in the public opportunity to take on Apple.
Sweeney two weeks ago kicked off the trial as Epic’s first witness, using his time on the stand to argue that ‘Fortnite’ has become a place for players to gather in a virtual world he calls the ‘metaverse’ and that Apple is unfairly demanding an outsized cut of profits for providing simple payment processing technology.
On Friday, Sweeney, who has attended every day of the trial as a corporate representative for Epic, listened to Cook’s testimony, looking down at a rubber band he stretched and twirled between his fingers while making notes.
The case before District Court Judge Yvonne Gonzalez Rogers comes with Apple feeling pressure from a wide range of app makers over its control of the App Store, which critics say represents monopolistic behavior.
The European Union has formally accused Apple of unfairly squeezing out music streaming rivals based on a complaint brought by Sweden-based Spotify and others, which claim that Apple sets rules that favor its own Apple Music.
Apple CEO Tim Cook, followed by Apple security chief Jimmy Taranto, makes his way to court after arriving at the United States District Court on Friday in Oakland, California
Epic Games CEO Tim Sweeney arrives at the court to hear Cook’s testimony in the case
Judge Gonzalez Rogers will render a verdict in Epic’s lawsuit, and a decision is expected to take weeks or months after the trial wraps up next week.
On Friday morning, Cook entered the courthouse through a side door, avoiding a large gaggle of TV cameras that had gathered at the main entrance.
However, he was spotted through a window of the courthouse as he made his way to the trail room. His testimony was broadcast live to the media on a conference call.
Just hours before he took the stand, media mogul and IAC Chairman Barry Diller, who is not a party in the case, weighed in and said that the App Store ‘overcharged in a disgusting manner’ in an interview with
Diller said the Match dating app, which IAC spun off into a separate company last year, paid $500 million a year to Apple for App Store commissions, asking ‘Does that seem rational to you?’
‘The idea that they actually justify it by saying, ‘We spend all this money protecting our little App Store,’ Diller said. ‘I mean, it’s criminal. Well, it will be criminal,’ he predicted.
Barry Diller is seen in an interview with CNBC on Friday morning at his new ‘Little Island’ off Manhattan. He accused Apple of charging ‘disgusting’ fees in the app store
Apple CEO Tim Cook took the witness stand on Friday to defend the company’s iPhone app store against charges that it has grown into an illegal monopoly (file photo)
The maker of Fortnite (above) is trying to topple the so-called ‘walled garden’ for iPhone and iPad apps that welcomes users and developers while keeping competition out
Apple is counting on Cook’s appearance to put the finishing touches on Apple’s defense against an antitrust case brought by Epic Games, maker of the popular video game Fortnite.
Epic is trying to topple the so-called ‘walled garden’ for iPhone and
The video game maker has waged a public relations and legal campaign, arguing that Apple acts anticompetitively by forcing developers to use Apple’s in-app payment system, which charges commissions of up to 30 percent on sales.
Created by Jobs a year after the iPhone’s 2007 debut, the App Store has become a key revenue source for Apple, a money-making machine that helped power the company to a $57 billion profit in its last fiscal year.
Epic is trying to prove that the store has morphed into a price-gouging vehicle that not only reaps a 15 to 30 percent commission from in-app transactions, but blocks apps from offering other payment alternatives.
That extends to just showing a link that would open a web page offering commission-free ways to pay for subscriptions, in-game items and the like.
Apple fiercely defends the commissions as a fair way for app makers to help pay for innovations and security controls that have benefited both iPhone users and app developers, including Epic.
Apple says it has invested more than $100 billion in such features.
It also argues that App Store commissions mirror fees charged by major video game consoles – Sony’s PlayStation, Microsoft’s Xbox and Nintendo’s Switch – as well as a similar app store run by Google for more than 3 billion mobile Android devices.
That is roughly twice the number of active iPhones, iPads and iPods that rely on Apple’s store for apps.
Legal staff representing Epic Games push a cart of documents for trial at the United States District Court on Friday in Oakland, California
Legal workers carry documents for the Epic Games vs. Apple federal court case into the Ronald V. Dellums building on Friday
Apple’s ironclad control over the App Store is already under investigation by regulators and lawmakers in Europe and the U.S.
Epic lawyers are expected to spend several hours grilling Cook on the stand. The questioning is likely to dissect the strategies Cook has drawn up since taking the CEO job nearly a decade ago, just a few months before Jobs died of cancer in October 2011.
The App Store ranks among Apple’s biggest successes during Cook’s reign. Since beginning with just 500 apps in 2008 the store has ballooned to 1.8 million apps, most of which are free.
Apple has drawn upon its commissions and exclusive in-app payment system to help more than double the annual revenue of its services division from $24 billion in fiscal 2016 to $54 billion last year.
This boom wasn’t something Jobs foresaw. Shortly after the store opened, Jobs publicly said Apple didn’t expect the App Store to be very lucrative.
Epic’s lawyers have repeatedly cited those comments as evidence that Apple reshaped the store to fuel its earnings growth once the popularity of mobile apps became clear.
Exactly how profitable the App Store is has been a point of contention throughout the three-week trial.
An accounting expert hired by Epic estimated that its profit margins range from 70 to 80 percent, based on a review of confidential Apple documents. But Apple has insisted those numbers aren’t accurate because they don’t reflect expenses spread throughout the company’s operations.
Phil Schiller, a longtime Apple executive and former Jobs confidant, conceded earlier this week that the company’s commission system had generated more than $20 billion in revenue through June 2017.
Epic lawyer Katherine Forrest had presented him with that estimate, based on numbers that Apple publicly released in mid-2017.
Epic’s questioning of Schiller may foreshadow how Epic’s lawyers intend to go after Cook, who is generally unflappable in public and tightly focused on his message when dealing with reporters and lawmakers.
Epic’s lawyers have repeatedly referred to internal exchanges involving Jobs and other executives to depict Apple as using its investment in security and personal privacy as an excuse for preserving the huge profits that flow from its app store.
During Schiller’s testimony, for instance, Epic’s lawyers submitted a 2008 email Jobs sent to Schiller and another executive.
In that note, Jobs wondered whether Google was taking aim at the then-nascent ad market that was emerging on the iPhone, which relies on operating software called iOS. ‘The more energy they devote to iOS the better,’ Jobs wrote to Schiller.
Forrest then challenged Schiller with two questions. ‘You wanted Google to be beholden to Apple?’ she asked, soon following with, ‘You were basking in the power to destroy a company’s business?’
Schiller answered no to both questions.
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